A Talk With Frank Zappa
By Bill Camarata
Scene, 1988 March
After an absence of a little over three years, Frank Zappa is returning to
the concert stage in a major world tour. Dubbed "Broadway The Hard Way," it's an
effort by Zappa to bring back the excitement of a real live band at a concert,
as opposed to the numerous drum-and-computer wonders of the late '80s. The
eleven-piece band consists of Ike Willis, guitar and vocals, Bobby Martin on
keyboards and vocals, Chad Wackerman on drums, Ed Mann, percussion, Scott Thunes
on bass, and new Zappa discovery Mike Keneally on "stunt guitar," vocals and
keyboards. The horn section is comprised of Albert Wing, tenor sax and flute,
Paul Carman, altosax, baritone sax and flute, Bruce Fowler on trombone, Walt
Fowler on trumpet, flugelhorn and synthesizer, and Kurt McGettrick playing
baritone sax, bass sax and E-flat contra-bass clarinet. In this interview,
conducted by phone from Boston, I tried to cover many of the topics for which
Frank is outspoken, popular, and continually interesting. All of the touring,
including the Cleveland date this Saturday, March 5, will be recorded for a live
album to be released in the fall. There is also a nationwide voter registration
campaign going on at all the concerts, which prompted Ohio Secretary of State
Sherrod Brown to name Zappa honorary Secretary of State last week.
SCENE: Hi, Frank. What's new?
Frank Zappa: Well, I just got a call from a guy from "60 Minutes." They're
going to be doing something on this stuff.
SCENE: The tour?
FZ: Well, they're more interested in the voter registration than rock 'n'
roll. We're going to be having dinner with them tomorrow night to figure out
what we're going to do. It hasn't even been shot yet.
SCENE: Have you set up voter registration tables at all of the concerts so
far?
FZ: Every one. We've been working with the League of Women Voters, and in the
cities where they wouldn't cooperate, couldn't cooperate, or didn't have the
volunteers, various citizens groups, either with or without the League of Women
Voters, have staffed the tables. We expect that we're going to be able to do
every single concert on the U.S. tour.
SCENE: You haven't toured since 1984. What made you decide to tour at this
point in time?
FZ: Oh, just a whole bunch of stuff. It seemed like the right thing to do,
and I did want to get involved in the voter registration. It's one of the things
I've been interested in since the 27th Amendment passed in 1971.
SCENE: How has the audience response been?
FZ: Massively enthusiastic. They really love the band because it sounds
bitchin'.
SCENE: Yeah, but you've got a HUGE band on this tour, eleven pieces!
FZ: And it's a good sounding band... It's like ... let's hear some music!
SCENE: I've heard that one of the many things you're doing on this tour is
the first movement of Bartok's third piano concerto. I'm having a hard time
imagining what that'll sound like because I've been listening to that for a
couple of days now and...
FZ: ...isn't that one of the most beautiful melodies you ever heard in your
life?
SCENE: Yes, and I'm hoping you do it in Cleveland.
FZ: Well, you know, where we put it? That, and Stravinsky's "Royal March"
(from "L'Histoire Du Soldat") are in the middle of "Packard Goose" (from JOE'S
GARAGE). Instead of a guitar solo we put those two pieces in there.
SCENE: You have a new home video label, Honker Home Video, which has two
releases so far. How's it doing?
FZ: Doing real well, and the tour is helping the sales. UNCLE MEAT (a Mothers
Of Invention film that has been 20 years in the making) is just about to be
released. What's holding that up right now is that Cal Schenkel is finishing the
painting that's going to be used for the cover of the jacket.
SCENE: In VIDEO FROM HELL (a tape showing previews of all planned Honker
releases, plus lots of other odds and ends), I was really glad to see the video
for "You Are What You Is." Hardly anyone's seen that because of the
"objectionable" things in there.
FZ: Well, there's a problem with giving the President of the United States
the electric chair, isn't there?
SCENE: Not when you consider who the president is.
FZ: We know who talks to us on television once in a while, but we don't know
who the president is, and that's the real problem! Because it used to be Bill
Casey, but he's dead, and then it was kind of Oliver North, but now he's
unemployed, so who the f**k is doin' it? We know that the guy we see on TV is
doin' nothing except taking a nap in the middle of the afternoon. Maybe it's Ed
Meese. That would explain some of the ignorant policy decisions that are comin'
out of there. That's right there in line with his average of brilliant
decisions. In the news, when they were talking about Ronald Reagan and Ed Meese,
the line was "almost brothers." Remember that one?
SCENE: Well, let's get back to music and video. VIDEO FROM HELL has a
scene that had menu options like "sex," "violence," "drugs" etc. What is that
program, and what does it do?
FZ: That was a joke program the engineer put together called "666 Youth
Modification." It was a big PMRC joke about the record industry corrupting the
youth of America. So we thought we would manifest it right there on the screen.
Pick one classification: drugs, sex, violence etc. You hit a key, and it says,
"Corrupt or enhance." As if you could really do that.
SCENE: Have you played around with any DAT (Digital Audio Tape) machines
at all?
FZ: The little portable ones? No.
SCENE: Well, how do you feel about copycode and recording prevention
legislation?
FZ: What one should remember about the copycode controversy is this: The
copyright on the copycode chip belongs to CBS. In order to copycode anything,
the chip must be bought from CBS and/or a royalty must be paid to CBS for the
use of the code. So they have a vested interest. And if the United States passes
into law the thing stating that things must be copycoded, that is legislation in
the service of commerce, and it's one of the reasons why the record industry is
allowing itself to play footsie with groups like the PMRC. This way their
husbands can decide on things like copycode chips and provide millions of
dollars in found money for major corporations.
SCENE: Do you think that copycode legislation will pass?
FZ: I don't think so.
SCENE: Since a lot of your back catalogue is resurfacing on Compact Disc,
there's a lot of excitement among your fans that collect your music, and the new
lease on life that CDs give to older recordings. Will there be any more releases
this year, other than the 12-CD set YOU CAN'T DO THAT, ON STAGE ANYMORE?
FZ: Well, there's the new album, called GUITAR (The sequel to SHUT UP AND
PLAY YOUR GUITAR). One of the next batch of old ones will be ABSOLUTELY FREE,
and I think we're gonna do ONE SIZE FITS ALL, but I don't know what the other
ones are going to be.
SCENE: You're playing guitar again on this tour. On at least, two
occasions, you stopped playing guitar for a long period of time. Once was when
you did nothing but orchestra stuff for two years, and the next time was when
you were involved in all this PMRC stuff and the synclavier records. What makes
you decide to stop playing the guitar, and what makes you decide to pick it up
again?
FZ: The only time that I play is when I'm touring. When I'm at home I don't
play it at all. So if I'm home between tours, that's usually a fairly short
period of time if I'm touring a lot. So I pick it up when we go back into
rehearsal.
I'm a businessman. I have to run a business when I'm home. There is no time
for anything else except for running the business.
SCENE: This is the first time that you've brought a horn section on tour
in a long, longtime.
FZ: Not since 1972.
SCENE: I once read in an interview that you don't use horn players more
often because they didn't like playing harmony to a guitar player, and as a
result that hurt their performance. How do you feel about this horn section now?
FZ: That's true, but unless you find the right guys... That's a statement
about horn players in general.
SCENE: So right now you've got the right people.
FZ: I sure do. And basically what they're being asked to do is not to play
chords, or harmony parts behind guitar solos. They play a little eight-bar
figure that makes the transition between the body of the song and the guitar
solo, that's not all that's required of them. The rest of the time they're
playing really complicated parts that are challenging to them, so that keeps 'em
on their toes. Other groups that go out with horn sections, their basic function
is to play the little punches and pads and boop-boop-boops in between what the
electric instruments are doing. That's not a very gratifying life for a horn
player to just play a few notes and spend the rest of the night banging on Latin
percussion instruments. We don't do that.
SCENE: Are you recording every single show on the tour?
FZ: You betcha.
SCENE: You stress that you are a businessman. I know that you are very
successful (USA Today reported that in 1986 Zappa grossed over $1 million in
mail order alone). How do you remain so successful in the world of pre-packaged,
rigid formatted and marketed entertainment?
FZ: By not doing that. If I were to compete with the other people, who are
doing freeze-dried formats, I'd be dead by now. I provide, as it says on the
label, the "World's Finest Optional Entertainment."
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